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Max_Damage



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PostSubject: Bigby grasping hand an clenched fist.   Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:41 pm

Hello.

I ve got a question. The journal says these two spells work as by default.
Ok so i check the wiki:

grasping hand:

hit check:
1d20 + caster level + (casting ability modifier + 10) - 1 vs.
target's armor class

So i figure the 38 1 1 type of sorcerer would do such a roll:
1d20+38+(15+10)-1 vs target's AC. This is 62+d20 vs AC.

the first roll is pretty easy to succeed against anyone that isnt dex based melee class? Str based tanks have 72-74 ac only i think? this means arould 40-50% success.
Sure, the dex tank with ~80 ac will be able to resist it but only until he gets curse/taunt.




The second one is even easier:

grapple:
1d20 + caster level + (casting ability modifier + 10) + 4 vs.
1d20 + target's BAB + target's strength modifier + target's grapple size modifier.

this means 65+d20 vs ~ 50 +d20 ?





Does this really work like this currently? If so, what is a good reliable way to remove the spell effect from yourself?
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PostSubject: Re: Bigby grasping hand an clenched fist.   Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:55 pm

No it doesn't really work at all atm. Those spells are being retuned, but because of how strong "mage" type characters are, it's not high priority.

It is set to happen however.
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PostSubject: Re: Bigby grasping hand an clenched fist.   Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:40 am

What about making bigby checks vs disc and not ac? would that help? (just want to contribute somehow, so if its retarded, just ignore my suggestions xD)
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PostSubject: Re: Bigby grasping hand an clenched fist.   Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:04 am

Ideally bigby should be a way to disable an opponent who otherwise has such rediculous saves, no other spell would work.
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PostSubject: Re: Bigby grasping hand an clenched fist.   Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:07 am

On all the servers i played there were 2 variants of bigby grasping/clenched spells:

-default-ish. means complete imba stuff, must have for mages 100%;

-disc check. means 99% useless stuff, can only hurt pure mage or druid;

Would be nice to have some sort of a middle ground for once xD. Maybe first we should realize which builds should be vulnerable to bigby 7 and 9.
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